[Toybox] New tests for dirname and wc

[Rob Landley]

The discussion keeps wandering off the list. :)

On 11/21/2012 02:13:27 PM, Felix Janda wrote:
> On 11/20/12 at 03:20pm, Rob Landley wrote:
> > On 11/18/2012 05:29:56 AM, Felix Janda wrote:
> > > On 11/11/12 at 02:58pm, Rob Landley wrote:
> > > > Understood. Setting the environment variable in the test script
> > > makes
> > > > sense, I'll add a comment.
> > >
> > > ? The environment is only read in order to check for the locale.  
> It
> > > might
> > > better to use locale (1) though.
> >
> > I've gotten distracted a bit: I got a "which" contribution that  
> needed
> > a lot of cleanup (I'm about 2/3 of the way done), and then I need to
> > clean up "cut", and I'm properly fixing "cp", which needed the
> > equivalent of readlink -f in order to do duplicate detection (I can
> > catch "cp * ." by checking stat info, but infinite recursion ala  
> "cp -R
> > .. ." requires absolute path comparisons with symlinks resolved),  
> and
> > when I poked at readlink -f it was unfinished, and then the test  
> suite
> > failed on the rewrite, and the test suite actually needs to be  
> extended
> > for the new -m and -e options...
> >
> > The usual. :)
> 
> :)

I note I just checked in the which cleanup, and blogged a chunk of the  
rationale at http://landley.net/notes-2012.html#23-11-2012 but when I  
really get the bit in my teeth it's hard to write up my rationale for  
doing stuff _or_ to do the test suite. Both of which are kinda good  
things to do.

I had to redo which (from where I left off cleaning it up) because:

A) getdate() didn't do what I thought it did.

It hasn't got any built in date-guessing formats, you have to point it  
at a file of them. There doesn't seem to be a system standard file or  
anything built into libc, so it was kinda useless. The man page for the  
gnu/dammit version of date says -d can guess an arbitrary date code,  
but no idea how.

So I've got to go to the two specific date formats posix lists for -d  
and -t, but I don't have to open code it like the initial contribution  
did, I can use strptime() out of libc.

B) posix says touch should handle multiple files on the command line,  
and this only handled one argument.

I wanted to use loopfiles(), but that means opening the file to get a  
filehandle, and touch should be able to change the date of chmod 000  
files, meaning it can't use futimes but has to use the non-filehandle  
version.

Posix also says [.frac] I.E. fractions of a second support. (Computers  
are fast now.)
The man page has utime() and utimes() on it and utimes() supports  
milisecond resolution. Modern linux supports nanoseconds but  
miliseconds is probably fine for now. (Eh, I could switch to  
utimensat(AT_CWD, ...) at some point.)

C) It only supported about half the posix command line arguments, it  
needs -a, -c, and -d.

Note that supporting -a and -m means it needs to stat the existing file  
to get the current date, modify it, and write it back out.

I also wince when I see repeated code, and try to sit back and find a  
way to just have _one_ call to utime() or similar. I don't always  
manage it but I do stop and try.

I had to dig a bit to find out that the T "time designator" is a  
literal T.

I've still got a couple todo items: allow space as a time designator,  
allow , as a fraction indicator. (*shrug*  Posix.)

> > > > Conditional on the config symbol enabling UTF-8 support. (That
> > > > introduces the possibility of internationalization causing
> > > regressions
> > > > in other commands, but it does mean they asked for it.)
> > > >
> > > > The unanswerable question is whether UTF-8 support should be
> > > enabled by
> > > > default. (The bigger the test suite is the more my answer leans
> > > towards
> > > > yes.)
> > >
> > > I think that I would also prefer a default of enabled i18n. Is  
> there a
> > > way to check in test scripts for enabled configuration variables?
> >
> > Yes, the "optional" shell function. See sort.test or tail.test for
> > examples, if the config symbol isn't set (in the current build
> > directory) calls to "testing" after that are NOPed out until the  
> next
> > call to optional.
> >
> > (Probably what I should have it do instead is return true/false and  
> use
> > shell if statements. Right now you can't test for more than one  
> symbol
> > at a time...)
> 
> Thanks. So I made a patch for implementing the option. I was not sure  
> where
> to exactly put the setlocale call. Please feel free to move it, where  
> it
> belongs. Attached is a hg exported patch.

I have applied it. I've got some pending cleanups, but it's revealed  
yet more structural limitations in my stuff.

I don't like #ifdefs in C code, I prefer if (CFG_BLAH) {stuff} with  
CFG_BLAH becoming a constant 0 and dead code elimination dropping out  
{stuff} when configured out. That way it's always syntax checked.

(Note that the CFG_ macros will always be #defined, they're just 1 or  
0. So an #ifdef on them will always be true. You can either #if  
CFG_BLAH or #ifdef CONFIG_BLAH to actually chop stuff out with the  
preprocessor.)

In addition to the CFG_BLAH macros I also made USE_BLAH() macros which  
resolve to the contents of the parentheses when BLAH is enabled, and  
nothing when BLAH is disabled.

The downside of letting dead code elimination do the work is that if  
the headers are conditionally #included, the function calls have no  
prototype. I'm not sure if having the headers unconditionally included  
is better, or moving them to lib/portability.h and having an #else case  
in the ifdef that copies the relevant prototypes from posix. Probably  
unconditional inclusion until somebody complains, then fix it up in  
portability.h.

Another problem is that if I stick a USE_BLAH("x") around the config  
options my header generation infrastructure is only producing headers  
for stuff that's enabled.  I.E.

USE_WC(NEWTOY(wc, USE_TOYBOX_I18N("m")"cwl", TOYFLAG_USR|TOYFLAG_BIN))

When I switch off TOYBOX_I18N I don't get FLAG_m defined.

(What I _should_ do is #define FLAG_M to 0 when it's disabled. But  
teaching the script to do that, with sed, is complicated. :P )

So yeah: working on it. :)

> > > > I mean that I am painfully aware of my lack of expertise here,  
> but
> > > am
> > > > trying to close tabs before opening new ones. :)
> > > >
> > > > For example, I dunno if daemontools or runit are the same thing.
> > > (And I
> > > > try to keep track of where each one came from.  susv init was  
> from
> > > > system v, there was a bsd one that kinda fell out of use,  
> upstart
> > > was
> > > > from ubuntu, systemd was from <strike>Pointy Hair  
> Linux</strike> Red
> > > > Hat, android has some home-grown thing, and last I heard gentoo  
> was
> > > > threatening to write its own.
> > >
> > > Daemontools and Runit are different (but have the same ideas).
> > > Daemontools
> > > are by djb. Runit is by Gerrit Pape. Daemontools are not really a  
> init
> > > but a tool to manage (supervise) services.
> >
> > I wrote that down. At some point I need to dig into all this and  
> figure
> > out what to do, but that research project can wait until I've  
> emptied a
> > couple of the open cans of worms.
> >
> > (Who puts worms in cans? I'm guessing this is a fishing metaphor...)
> >
> > > > > > I have yet to open this can of worms. Possibly I can just
> > > ignore it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > do sysv init.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, and let's not forget the careful failure to actually say
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > useful of:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >  
> http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_4.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/tocsysinit.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A standard that doesn't specify. Sigh...
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, is there any problem for someone who does not like  
> sysv
> > > init
> > > > > to
> > > > > use their own init instead of toybox's?
> > > >
> > > > Not at all. but at the same time. I'd like to provide something
> > > people
> > > > find useful. "I don't actually expect people to use this tool"
> > > means I
> > > > probably shouldn't include that tool. (I included oneit because  
> _I_
> > > use
> > > > it. And because it solves the problem of booting a  
> single-purpose
> > > > system that exists to run one process, such as a single command
> > > shell.
> > > > Yes you can do init=/myshellscript.sh which I've done a lot  
> (modulo
> > > the
> > > > bug that the period seems to confuse the kernel's command line
> > > argument
> > > > parsing), but init has to reap zombies for orphan processes and  
> that
> > > > won't, so zombie processes pile up in the resulting system.  
> Plus you
> > > > can't ctrl-c out of it.)
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's really fun to ping stuff without job control...
> >
> > ping -c 3
> >
> > (And as soon as you forget the -c once, it's reboot time. Honestly,  
> -c
> > 10 or similar should be the _default_, with an option to enable  
> endless
> > pinging.)
> 
> I also discovered "ping -c" some time ago. On Windows ping seems to  
> be better
> behaved in that sense...

You're still a typo away from a bricked box. Been there, done that.

> > > (With runit you'd pack your script into /etc/runit/1, have a  
> zombie
> > > killer
> > > in /etc/runit/3 and one agetty as a service started by something  
> like
> > > "exec agetty 38400 tty1 linux". Ok, that's kind of more work than
> > > using
> > > oneit.)
> >
> > I like oneit, it's a good tool for what it does. However, it's
> > intentionally very limited. Going to a full system management  
> daemon...
> > there are a number of possible approaches. Figuring out what to do  
> is a
> > major research project.
> >
> > I dislike systemd if for no other reason than Red Hat's attempts to
> > shove an ever-growing katamari down people's throats, over the
> > objections of Ubuntu and Gentoo and so on. (Plenty of other  
> reasons, of
> > course. PID 1 should not have dependencies. Sucking udev into it is  
> not
> > an improvement, and Linus Torvalds himself has flamed Kay Sievers
> > recently http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1369384 .)  
> Anyway,
> > "not that".
> >
> > I should take a look at upstart, which came first. It would be
> > something to be compatable with. But from the quick glances I've  
> done,
> > it also seems kinda overcomplicated.
> >
> > Given that Android already has more deployments than Linux and is  
> still
> > in the exponential growth part of its S-curve, I _need_ to be  
> familiar
> > with whatever it is they're doing. Toybox should either provide a  
> good
> > clean replacement for it, or easily work with it (interact with the
> > unmodified android init).
> >
> > I'm reluctant to pick favorites among daemontools and runit and
> > gentoo's thing and so on because I'd like to make a good, simple,
> > standard general-purpose tool. Back in 2005 when I rewrote the init  
> in
> > busybox, this was the System V init. (This rewrite never made it
> > upstream because Erik was switching CVS over to SVN and nobody could
> > check anything in for over a month, during which time I switched
> > laptops an the code got buried in backup directories. But I got  
> pretty
> > deeply familiar with how init actually works during the rewrite,  
> which
> > led me to do oneit.)
> 
> As long as I don't find systemd or upstart in toybox I'm happy. I  
> think
> that I feel similarly about systemd as you. dbus doesn't seem to be  
> the
> right IPC mechanism for an init to me...

People were trying to move dbus in-kernel at one point:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODYwNA

It struck me as a defense mechanism more than a design...

> It may solve some problems,
> but seems to add a great deal of complexity. I kind of feel similarly
> about UEFI and BIOS.

The musl maintainer was pondering doing a kernel as his next big  
project, and I tried to point him at doing a bootloader. You can scale  
up something like uboot with a scheduler and posix system call API, but  
right now there's no way to chop Linux _down_ to just what you need.

I ranted about that years ago:

http://www.mentby.com/rob-landley/what-happened-to-linux-tiny.html

> I have no idea about the init system of Android.
> 
> Gentoo's openrc builds on top of sysvinit and I think it would not  
> make
> much sense to add it to toybox. As mentioned previously daemontools  
> are
> actually not an init. And I kind of wanted to demonstrate that runit  
> is
> still very simple. I didn't want to suggest that you should add
> functionality related to it.

I can do a sysvinit. It would be really nice if there was SOME  
standard, somewhere...

Mostly I want to get a clear idea of the problem people are trying to  
solve, and whether or not there's any installed base of expertise out  
there I can leverage. (What are the expectations here? What do  
sysadmins sit down and mangle today without having to learn new stuff?  
I dunno, I need to talk to some sysadmins...)

> > Since then, people have started demanding more out of their init.
> > Mostly parallelism to speed up the boot process, but also paranoid
> > developers are TERRIFIED that their daemons will exit and need to be
> > relaunched, even though they trust PID 1 to stay up and if PID 1  
> ever
> > does go down the kernel will panic and how is this different from  
> the
> > other daemon? Really, if random processes are exiting your system  
> has a
> > _problem_ and needs to be _fixed_, creating infrastructure to  
> silently
> > recover from things that shouldn't happen is hiding the problem...
> 
> Most daemons should write something to the logs when an error occurs  
> or
> they being restarted.

Expecting good daemons is like expecting good apps. You cope with what  
you have.

> But as you said not restarting them automatically
> would give greater incentives to fix them. And of course I agree that
> the PID 1 should be as simple as possible.
> (Sorry for the remark: runit's process superviser restarts processes
> when they exit. This is for example used to implement service
> dependencies.)

Eh, the OOM killer can kill stuff. Bad things happen, there should be a  
recovery mechanism. (It might be detect it and "shutdown -r now".)

Again, I'm not comfortable with my understanding of the problem space,  
and I dunno what "being agnostic" means in this circumstance. I need to  
provide the infrastructure to support unknown use cases, but in the  
absence of a standard _or_ consensus on what that infrastructure is,  
the lack of knowledge of the use cases is disturbing.

> Felix
> 
> > This problem requires further study, and I need to clear space  
> first.
> >
> > Rob
> 

Rob
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