[Toybox] [PATCH] Implement ps -O.

[enh]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Rob Landley <rob at landley.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 01/24/2016 10:06 PM, dmccunney wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Rob Landley <rob at landley.net> wrote:
>>> I'm hoping that in future Android grows a userbase plugging their phone
>>> into a USB hub with hdmi adapter, mouse, and keyboard (or chromecasting
>>> to their TV with bluetooth keyboard and mouse) that can actually pop up
>>> a terminal window. I'd like android devices to grow into the workstation
>>> space and organically displace PC hardware. Your suggested change works
>>> against that goal, when you _do_ have a terminal size, it's good to use
>>> it...
>>
>> There are attempts to create X86 ports of Android that *can* be used
>> that way.  They are all alpha at this point.
>
> I'm aware of them. I'm also aware of people trying to use telco android
> as a desktop, ala https://lwn.net/Articles/668822/ but I'm not focused
> on that level.
>
> I'm trying to get AOSP to build on vanilla out of the box android.
> Beyond toybox, we need llvm or similar, and we need "make" and "git"
> implementations that aren't GPL, and probably m4...

(off-topic, but for building AOSP, make's already dead.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?pli=1#!topic/android-platform/Hhl_4hfOONg
has more details. ninja is already Apache-licensed.)

> Working on it. I've done some research on those last 3 and am prepared
> to implement them myself if nobody else has before I get there.
>
>> One of the things I've been watching for a while is convergence, and
>> the idea that you'll run a flavor of the *same* OS on any device you
>> may have.  Ironically, Windows seems closest, with Windows on the
>> server, desktop,  laptop, notebook, tablet, and phone.  OS/X and iOS
>> are increasingly converging, and seeing OS/X subsumed into iOS and iOS
>> running on everything Apple makes would not be a surprise.
>>
>> Linux is the odd man out, given that the Linux kernel itself runs on
>> almost everything, but there are more different and largely
>> incompatible distros than I can keep track of.  Android being the
>> one-size-fits-all Linux distro that unifies the Linux space seems to
>> be the best bet for convergence there.
>
> Linux on the desktop failed, getting vendors to preinstall it didn't
> happen and getting users to reimage their machines never cracked 2%
> market share.
>
> But a billion Android phones _exist_, and get gradually more powerful
> with time.
>
>> I have a good terminal app on my Android tablet (Jack Palevich's
>> Terminal Emulator),
>
> There's apparently one in the base AOSP build, which you can install
> through the app store ("Terminal") but isn't installed by default for
> reasons I don't understand at all.
>
>> and I look forward to a  version of Toybox than
>> can make Busybox go away.
>
> For Aboriginal Linux's self-hosting and linux from scratch bootstrapping
> build, I still need:
>
>   awk bzip2 dd diff expr fdisk ftpd ftpget ftpput gzip less ping
>   route sh sha512sum tar test tr unxz vi wget xzcat
>
> There's a bunch more things in defconfig, but that's what I need for the
> self-hosting part. (And the ftp stuff could be replaced by functioning
> network mounts so maybe v9d or smbd instead...)
>
>> I regularly use an external keyboard, and
>> can use a mouse if I plug in a hub.
>>
>> Given the steadily increasing power and decreasing size of components,
>> I don't expect it to be long before your phone *is* your computing
>> device, that you carry around as a phone, and plug into a docking
>> station with KB, mouse, monitor, NAS and the like and *poof!*, it's
>> your workstation.
>
> The economies of scale tilt that way. A billion phones shipping
> annually, an installed base expected to stabilize around 6 billion,
> that's going to erode the PC niche the way the PC eroded minicomputers
> and mainframes.
>
> The question is what the resulting systems will be like. That's still up
> in the air. (Apple's read-only ipad future would not be fun.)
>
> Rob
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