<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 20:02 Rob Landley <<a href="mailto:rob@landley.net">rob@landley.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Somebody (not me) recently added a link to the busybox vs toybox talk to the<br>
toybox wikipedia page, and they removed it again as irrelevant. (The<br>
<strike>Aristocrats!</strike> Wikimedia Foundation!) Maybe the bot triggered<br>
because it was a footnote that never got cited? (Just a guess.)<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you click on the bot's name it takes you to a page that explains that only "established users" can link to sites like YouTube, to prevent spam.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since I always make anonymous edits I can't help you there. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(I've addressed the other stuff though. Luckily I found a CL from one of the build guys that lets me not be a disallowed primary source for the "also used to *build* Android" stuff I added at the same time 😃)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Obviously I can't edit the toybox page on there because I have firsthand<br>
knowledge and am thus disqualified (and apparently even a video of me speaking<br>
on the topic is out of bounds as not sufficiently hearsay/anecdotal), but the<br>
first paragraph of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toybox" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toybox</a> says 150 commands when<br>
defconfig is over 200 now (and has been for a while) and that's just math.<br>
<br>
Also, what does the word "some" in the first line contribute? Why not "Toybox is<br>
a 0BSD licensed implementation of over 200 basic Unix command line utilities."<br>
(They have a<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#0-clause_license_(%22Zero_Clause_BSD%22)" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#0-clause_license_(%22Zero_Clause_BSD%22)</a><br>
so I don't see why they can't link to it? But then I dunno why wikipedia does<br>
anything...)<br>
<br>
"certain other operating systems"... certain? It's tested on linux, bsd, and<br>
OSX, if it's been ported to anything else nobody's bothered to inform me yet.<br>
<br>
I should do an analysis of what "Feature-wise, Toybox has not reached parity<br>
with Busybox" actually _means_ someday. (Mostly that I need to promote toysh and<br>
init? But I need to clear toys/pending and do a 1.0 release before I get to mock<br>
them for that.)<br>
<br>
The "history" section was probably not initially written by a native english<br>
speaker? (ala "suggested to create" = suggested creating) "Rob Landley followed<br>
the request and suggested instead to base this library on the dormant Toybox."<br>
is subtly wrong in like 3 ways (the most obvious being it's not a library?) Tim<br>
contacted me looking to hire a consultant to work on a project he was trying to<br>
scrape up funding to create. He didn't request that I work on it for free, it<br>
was a "Can I hire you to do this?" call and I went "Dude, I only stopped doing<br>
that as a hobby because I ran out of viable goals to work towards. I have years<br>
of code lying around I could trivially relicense if there's a USE for it, and if<br>
you're saying there's demand and a userbase waiting for the result I'd be happy<br>
to give it another go..." The "in android" part was previously too audacious to<br>
seriously consider, but knowing that major phone _vendors_ wanted this to happen<br>
meant I could maybe do an end-run around Google if they continued to be a<br>
hermetically sealed ecosystem with no way to submit bug reports to gmail and so<br>
on from outside the Googleplex.<br>
<br>
(Yes, people offering me money for stuff and me either solving their problem on<br>
the phone or winding up doing it for free so I can publish the result is a<br>
chronic problem with me.)<br>
<br>
But how do you explain all that to wikipedia? Maybe it could say something more<br>
like "Rob Landley agreed with this goal but pursued it resuming work on toybox,<br>
starting by relicensing his existing code from GPL to BSD." (I mean I literally<br>
blogged about it at the time: <a href="https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#13-11-2011" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#13-11-2011</a> )<br>
<br>
(Oh, and the busybox page has a _strangely_ worded toybox section, "re-licensed<br>
under the BSD License after the project went dormant"? Kind of awkward backwards<br>
phrasing, the relicensing was the first step in RESUMING work on it. But then<br>
elsewhere on that same page it says "the sharp zaurus uses" and that product was<br>
discontinued 13 years ago, so...)<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
P.S. Sometimes my english minor from college bobs to the surface. Their supposed<br>
documentation is BADLY WORDED. <a href="https://xkcd.com/386/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xkcd.com/386/</a><br>
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