[Toybox] gmail unsubscribed everyone from the list again.

[Robert Thompson]

For what it's worth,

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node25.html

It's been several years since I had to deal with this kind of thing,
but the behavior we're seeing is similar to a case I had to
troubleshoot in the past where the bounce-processing was configured to
be too aggressive. This caused subtle trouble when some sites started
implementing greylisting and rate-limited acceptance. I believe that
gmail does both nowadays...

I ended up having to significantly increase the threshold as well as
set the stale period very low. Some of the behavior I saw didn't match
the documentation, and the final values that fixed the problem should
not have been very useful as per the documentation, but the problem
went away :shrug:


On 2/9/19, dmccunney <dennis.mccunney at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 3:49 PM David Seikel
> <onefang_toybox at dave.isageek.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I fixed it all up via the web gui when gmail did this last week, and
>> > I just fixed it up again after yesterday's mass-bouncing, but I'm
>> > kind of tired of it.
>> >
>> > As far as I can tell, other mailing lists are coming to a "gmail is
>> > too dysfunctional to use with mailing lists" consensus:
>>
>> I've been saying that here for some time.  Everybody just move off gmail
>> and be done with it.  My non gmail address wasn't bounced off the list.
>> Gmail is bad, m'kay.  Protonmail.com works OK if you want a web based
>> alternative.
>
> Gmail works fine here for every *other* mailing list I'm on, including
> a couple I created and maintain as Google Groups.
>
> The biggest mailing list problems I encounter are with folks
> subscribed via AOL or Yahoo addresses.  Those sites turned on
> provisions of the DKIP specification that specify that headers may not
> be *changed* en route.  This breaks mailing lists, as mailing list
> managers must diddle headers as part of what they do.  What happens
> depends on the servers that get the list mail.  Some will discard it
> undelivered as spam and not mention they have.  Some will accept and
> deliver it, but label it spam (Gmail does this.)  I've told folks on
> various lists using AOL or Yahoo addresses they have three choices:
>
> Stay subscribed to the list from their AOL or Yahoo address, but be
> aware that other list members may never see their posts
> Drop off the list
> Find another email provider.
>
> I don't know what Gmail's allergy to the Toybox list is, but I don't
> think Gmail is the problem.
>
> (I have a Proton mail account.  Handy for the privacy obsessed, but
> way too slow for volume traffic here.)
> ______
> Dennis
> (Who was *delighted* to shift to Gmail, drop MS Outlook as email
> client, and download mail locally via POP)
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